{"id":87,"date":"2025-02-13T13:02:30","date_gmt":"2025-02-13T19:02:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wtech.ninja\/?p=87"},"modified":"2025-09-28T09:59:00","modified_gmt":"2025-09-28T15:59:00","slug":"how-to-identify-the-windings-in-a-9-wire-3-phase-motor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wtech.ninja\/?p=87","title":{"rendered":"How to identify the windings in a 9-wire 3-phase motor"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">NOTE: I have diagrams for this but they broke when I migrated my wordpress pages. I will fix it soon &#8211; 2025-09-28<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You&#8217;re going to need an <strong>AC ammeter, voltmeter, and ohmmeter<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Alright, you&#8217;ve got your nine leads in front of you and they aren&#8217;t labeled. Fantastic. To start off, you need to figure out if your motor is Wye-connected or Delta-connected. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If it&#8217;s Wye, you will find that 3 of the leads have continuity between them, and then you&#8217;ll have 3 windings (2 leads each) that will have continuity between their ends. So, <strong>1 group of 3, 3 groups of 2.<\/strong> The reason three leads have continuity is that three winding ends are already connected from the factory: 10, 11, and 12.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If it&#8217;s Delta, you will find that there are <strong>3 groups of 3<\/strong> leads with continuity between them, with one &#8220;corner&#8221; that sits in-between the other two in each set and thus has the same resistance between it and each of the other two leads in its set.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now that you&#8217;ve identified the motor, proceed to the relevant section to identify the windings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Checking Rotation!<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ignore this for now, this will be handy later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you hook up Phases A, B, and C to lines 1, 2, and 3 the motor should turn CCW from the non-drive end, or CW from the drive end. This is standard rotation for both NEMA and IEC motors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Identifying a Wye motor<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/localhost:8080\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Wye-Delta-Diagrams-out-4-1006x1024.webp\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-95\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Alright, grab the three leads that have continuity, and temporarily mark them as 7, 8, and 9. Now, hook up phase A to 7, B to 8, and C to 9. Bump-start the motor to check rotation. If it&#8217;s correct, keep your initial marks. If it spins the wrong way, swap two windings and try again. After you&#8217;ve confirmed it spins the correct direction, mark the windings accordingly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, this is where it gets tricky, so you&#8217;ll want to look at the diagram up above to get a better picture of what is going on. Basically, if you connect 4 and 7 correctly, you&#8217;ll measure a higher-than-supply voltage from 1 to 8 \/ Phase B, and from 1 to 9 \/ Phase C.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The two measured voltages, 1-8 and 1-9 should be very close. If they aren&#8217;t, try again with a different winding until you find the one where they are very close.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If the two measured voltages are the same, but they&#8217;re lower than supply voltage, that means you have the winding hooked up backwards (1-7 instead of 4-7). So, swap the connections and try again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Once you find the correct second winding for phase A\/7, mark the winding ends accordingly with 4 and 1 and repeat the process for the other two phases\/windings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When you&#8217;ve identified all of them, hook up the motor for whichever voltage configuration you want to use, and then check if it runs smoothly. If it doesn&#8217;t, start over.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group is-nowrap is-layout-flex wp-container-core-group-is-layout-3a88641f wp-block-group-is-layout-flex\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you&#8217;re hooking this motor up in the low-voltage configuration, you can test your labeling by connecting it in the high-voltage configuration to the lower voltage before wiring it properly.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To hook up for <strong>High Voltage<\/strong>, connect 4-7, 5-8, and 6-9. This adds the extra windings in series with the original wye.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>4 &amp; 7 (L1)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>5 &amp; 8 (L2)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>6 &amp; 9 (L3)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To hook up to <strong>Low Voltage<\/strong>, connect 4, 5, and 6 to create a second star point, and then connect the new wye in parallel with the existing wye by connecting 1 &amp; 7, 2 &amp; 8, and 3 &amp; 9. So:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>4, 5 &amp; 6<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1 &amp; 7 (L1)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>2 &amp; 8 (L2) <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>3 &amp; 9 (L3)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If it is working well, check your current on each line A, B, C to make sure they are roughly equal, and as long as they are, you should be good to go. Congrats! You successfully re-labeled a motor. There&#8217;s only a 1 in 3 chance it matches the factory labeling, but that doesn&#8217;t matter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Identifying a Delta Motor<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/localhost:8080\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Delta-Diagram-out-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-97\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Alright. So you&#8217;ve got your 3 groups of 3 leads. The first thing you&#8217;ll want to do is identify the corners if you haven&#8217;t already, so ohm them out until you find the ones that are in-between the others. Refer to the diagram if you want to better understand this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, mark the corner leads as 1, 2, and 3. (these may change later, so don&#8217;t mark it too permanently)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So one cool thing about delta motors is you can make it rotate using <em>any<\/em> one set of 3 leads that you have, so what we&#8217;ll do then is identify the other two wires in each triangle by checking the motor&#8217;s rotation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When I do this I normally label the two unmarked wires straight off the bat, and then change them if I&#8217;m wrong. So, hook up A to 1, B to 4, and C to 7. Now, bump start the motor to check rotation. If it&#8217;s correct, the wire with the B phase is indeed 4. If it spins the wrong way, then the B phase wire is actually 7. Change your connections as needed and relabel accordingly, then move to the next phase.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the second winding, we hook up B to 2, C to 5 and A to 7. And again, check rotation and relabel accordingly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the third winding, we hook up C to 3, A to 6, and B to 8. Again, check rotation and relabel accordingly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now that you&#8217;ve got all your leads labeled, you&#8217;d think you were done, right? Sadly, no. <strong>Because<\/strong>, We don&#8217;t actually know if we labeled our #2 lead and #3 lead correctly at the start.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So you&#8217;re going to want to start the motor, just briefly, and see if it sounds smooth or if it sounds terrible. If it sounds terrible, <strong>swap your two bottom triangles.<\/strong> What that&#8217;ll look like is 2 -&gt; 3, 5 -&gt; 6, 7 -&gt; 8. And the other one does the opposite, obviously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, to hook it up for <strong>High Voltage<\/strong>, connect the ends of the three triangles. This is the exact same as the wye high voltage connection, which is:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>4 &amp; 7 (L1)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>5 &amp; 8 (L2)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>6 &amp; 9 (L3)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To hook it up for <strong>Low Voltage<\/strong>, you&#8217;ll merge all three triangles. What that looks like is:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>1, 6, &amp; 7 (L1)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>4, 2, &amp; 8 (L2)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>9, 5, &amp; 3 (L3)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">With that done, your motor should run better and you should be set! Congrats! You successfully identified the leads. There&#8217;s only a 1\/3 chance that they match the manufacturer&#8217;s labeling, but that doesn&#8217;t matter.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>NOTE: I have diagrams for this but they broke when I migrated my wordpress pages. I will fix it soon &#8211; 2025-09-28 You&#8217;re going to need an AC ammeter, voltmeter, and ohmmeter. Alright, you&#8217;ve got your nine leads in front of you and they aren&#8217;t labeled. Fantastic. 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